In this episode of The Diary Of A CEO, Steven Bartlett sits down with political commentator and author Konstantin Kisin to discuss the crumbling of the Western world order and the urgent challenges facing the UK and Europe.

The End of the “Rules-Based Order”

Kisin argues that the post-WWII and post-Soviet geopolitical framework is rapidly disintegrating 04:25 Opens in a new window . He suggests that the “shared myth” of international law only exists when enforced by a dominant power. As the West weakens, leaders like Donald Trump are pivoting toward a “Monroe Doctrine” style of foreign policy—prioritizing national interest over international rules that others are already ignoring 06:06 Opens in a new window .

The Decline of Britain and Europe

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the “economic suicide” and military decline of European nations:

• Economic Stagnation: Kisin points out that the UK’s GDP per capita is lower today than in 2006, meaning the average person is effectively poorer than they were 20 years ago 18:14 Opens in a new window .
• Irrelevance: He claims the UK has become “irrelevant” in global decisions, citing the lack of consultation by the US on major events like the recent actions in Iran and Venezuela 19:52 Opens in a new window .
• Welfare and Energy: He critiques the disproportionate amount of welfare spending (Europe accounts for 60% of global welfare spending despite being only 12% of the population) and the “lunacy” of Net Zero policies that destroy manufacturing and increase energy costs 13:53 Opens in a new window .

AI and the Rise of Communism

Kisin and Bartlett discuss the existential threat AI poses to the global workforce 27:00 Opens in a new window :

• Job Displacement: With the rise of autonomous robots and AI “brains” that cost cents to operate, millions of jobs—from driving to surgery—could vanish within years 29:07 Opens in a new window .
• Economic Reset: Kisin admits that in a world where AI creates all wealth and no one has a job, some form of wealth redistribution or even communism might become unavoidable to prevent social collapse 30:44 Opens in a new window .

The “Escape Plan” and Potential Departure

Kisin warns that the UK is driving out its most talented entrepreneurs through high taxes and a cultural “anti-success” mindset 01:00:06 Opens in a new window . He reveals that while he loves the country, he may choose to leave the UK in the next two to three years if the next election shows no shift in its current downward trajectory 01:23:32 Opens in a new window .

A Call for Change

To salvage the West, Kisin advocates for:

• Economic Growth: Moving away from restrictive regulations and high business taxes 01:05:07 Opens in a new window .
• Integration: Stopping mass immigration and focusing on fully integrating those already present to restore cultural stability 47:39 Opens in a new window .
• Demographics: Addressing the “demographic death spiral” by encouraging people to have more children 49:12 Opens in a new window .

Kisin concludes by noting that while he is pessimistic, he believes a “British renaissance” is possible if the nation stops choosing “what feels good” over “what actually works” 01:24:43 Opens in a new window .

Watch the full video here: The Man Warning The West: I’m Leaving the UK in 2 Years, If This Happens!